by TinyDancer » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:32 pm
Thanks for the reply, Shell. I should clarify for all who are unfamiliar with ibogaine (which is most folks, though I hope that changes...)
The "flood" dose is taken only once. This is the treatment I had in June. That is what results in visions, and they should not be confused with "hallucinations." They are extremely relevant to the person's life experience, their addiction, and their process. A great talk on ibogaine can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFvvTdsy ... r_embedded(I especially like the part where the speaker distinguishes between the "visionary sacrament" of iboga and hallucinogen, and thought of that when I read your post, Shell.)
In addition, it is the "flooding" of the system that enables the metabolite noribogaine to be released slowly from the fat for about 4-6 weeks thereafter. That's the stuff that attaches to the opioid receptors and obliterates cravings during that time. That's your "window of opportunity," so to speak. I lot of very difficult things happened in my first six weeks, contributing to my depression/PTSD. So I have decided to microdose with iboga root (from which ibogaine is derived). A tablespoon a day, no visions, no euphoria. I just feel normal, no suicidal thoughts and no cravings. I definitely notice when I skip a day, though, and I am determined not to come to rely on this ally.
It's possible I may do another flood dose again in my lifetime. I hope it's not for addiction! But even the visions you see are not recreational. In fact, everyone I now who uses this medicine (in Bwiti, it is called The Sacrament) doesn't want to take their boosters the next day - "Please, no more!" It's nothing you'd try to make a fun weekend out of. It also wipes you out completely for about 10 days afterwards. The next day, you need someone to help you to the bathroom. You can barely lift your head off the pillow. Sleep is terribly scarce, too, for about 3-5 days after the flood. But well worth it for that GDNF to go to work rewiring your reward centers. I know I got a second chance, and I know what a blessing it is.
Thanks for your supportive comments and your open mind. I've spent the entire day researching alternative versions of the 12 steps I could potentially live with. I'm not trying to get out of working on myself, I still speak with a therapist once a week, I just can't get behind the steps at all, and combined with the unwelcome reception for my experience of getting clean in "the rooms," I am really discouraged regarding that particular route.
Thanks for the reply, Shell. I should clarify for all who are unfamiliar with ibogaine (which is most folks, though I hope that changes...)
The "flood" dose is taken only once. This is the treatment I had in June. That is what results in visions, and they should not be confused with "hallucinations." They are extremely relevant to the person's life experience, their addiction, and their process. A great talk on ibogaine can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFvvTdsy-D8&feature=player_embedded
(I especially like the part where the speaker distinguishes between the "visionary sacrament" of iboga and hallucinogen, and thought of that when I read your post, Shell.)
In addition, it is the "flooding" of the system that enables the metabolite noribogaine to be released slowly from the fat for about 4-6 weeks thereafter. That's the stuff that attaches to the opioid receptors and obliterates cravings during that time. That's your "window of opportunity," so to speak. I lot of very difficult things happened in my first six weeks, contributing to my depression/PTSD. So I have decided to microdose with iboga root (from which ibogaine is derived). A tablespoon a day, no visions, no euphoria. I just feel normal, no suicidal thoughts and no cravings. I definitely notice when I skip a day, though, and I am determined not to come to rely on this ally.
It's possible I may do another flood dose again in my lifetime. I hope it's not for addiction! But even the visions you see are not recreational. In fact, everyone I now who uses this medicine (in Bwiti, it is called The Sacrament) doesn't want to take their boosters the next day - "Please, no more!" It's nothing you'd try to make a fun weekend out of. It also wipes you out completely for about 10 days afterwards. The next day, you need someone to help you to the bathroom. You can barely lift your head off the pillow. Sleep is terribly scarce, too, for about 3-5 days after the flood. But well worth it for that GDNF to go to work rewiring your reward centers. I know I got a second chance, and I know what a blessing it is.
Thanks for your supportive comments and your open mind. I've spent the entire day researching alternative versions of the 12 steps I could potentially live with. I'm not trying to get out of working on myself, I still speak with a therapist once a week, I just can't get behind the steps at all, and combined with the unwelcome reception for my experience of getting clean in "the rooms," I am really discouraged regarding that particular route.